The Random Thread

[Irishgirl]

Hi Guys, I have a question to throw out there.

Hope I'm in the right forum. I'm going to be converting an outside shed to a groom. I am getting an electrician in to carry out some works in another cabin for my animals & will be asking him to install a light & two double sockets in the shed to be groom.

I plan to have the eletric outside the groom but I have been wondering if there is a heavy duty or some kind of sockets other then standard that I should be asking him to install without suspicion. My plan is as follows:

GROOM 7ft x 7ft Approx

2X 600-100 HPS with x-large shields

2x Lumatek dimmable ballast 600-100-super lures

10" extraction carbon filter with thermostat (extract above ceiling into the void)

8" intake thermostat fan (Intake within the shed outside the groom)

Large oscillating fan

VEG ROOM 4ftx5ft approx

1x 250-600 Dimmable Ballast

1x 250 HPS 1x 400 HPS

8" extraction carbon filter with thermostat (extract above ceiling into the void)

6" intake thermostat fan (Intake within the shed outside the veg room)

Oscillating Fan

I know this is alot of power, plugs etc & probably will need extras such as heater for winter etc but generally this is the basics of my plans. I might even make groom bigger & have no veg room?? Decisions decisions decisions.

Will I leave it to installing 2 standard double sockets & buy contactors for each room. Would a 6 plug extention lead be ok to run from double standard sockets & plug the above in? Also the same for the veg room?

I have no idea about eletrics not a clue so easy on the eletric lingo/thermology . Any advice would be appreciated.

[Guest Key4]

If hes putting a new ring in then get 6 doubles.You will soon fill them up.He should know what sockets to use.

I just put in 3 doubles for a small grow.Extention leads are a hazard imo and should be temporary.

[Irishgirl]

Thanks Key4, he will be running it from another shed that has power from the house. I will tell him put 6 doubles in. He will be wondering why I want all the sockets & only at one side of the shed as I dont want the electrics in the groom.

[Guest Key4]

I only know the basics with electrics but have you checked all that gear will be ok on one ring plus anything else on it? Theres limits to how much you can extend a ring aswell with floor space or sum bollocks.. @@botanics nos what hes on about.

Lots of excuses. small music studio is a good one that most wont question.

[Irishgirl]

Lot, music studio, gud one.

That's the thing I dont know if all that stuff will be ok on one ring. I dont even know what you mean by one ring, not a clue abt electrics.

Ya botanics certainly knows his stuff & very helpful in explaining things. Hope he replies & gives his opinion. Thanks key4.

[botanics]

@@Irishgirl

If you put power out to another building, the way to do it is via a Steel Wire Armoured cable from the main consumer board which then would go to a secondary 'garage' unit (like a mini consumer unit with a couple of breakers in it) this cable would be buried and covered with a warning ribbon. The thikness of the conductors of this cable would be determined by design current and must include what's called 'voltage drop' and other factors and then fused accordingly (I'd have to look at BS 7671 for the equations as I haven't done them for quite a long time )

Voltage drop is the amount of volts that drop over the length of conductors and when passing through electrical equipment as all electrical equipment including the copper wires have what's called electrical resistance (impedance for AC systems) so the longer a conductor the more the voltage drop.

This is important because voltage, resistance and current are inter related mathematically and thus if the voltage drops then the current increases (this is why overhead power distribution is run at such high voltage in order to reduce the current and current is the flow of electrons which also causes heat as a by product due to that movement, so if high current then thicker conductors are required - higher voltages mean thinner conductors which in turn means less materials cost to distribute the supply)

I'm hoping that the supply you already have will include the capacity to do the upgrade, but without seeing the site, the distance and what's there already I'm stabbing in the dark here, but if those sockets you have are on a ring and the original supply conductors large enough then it will be fine to put more on there...the spark you employ will know and do the maths, if not it means a new supply...you must tell him how many sockets and what kind of loads, so say you want to put a dryer out there, etc and then run power tools for a work shop etc (pillar drill, lathe etc for your woodworking cottage craft business you're putting together or some such bs, as this will cover any noseyness )

But solid core wiring, fitted outlets is the way to go, not extentions and certainly not outsdside the main equipotental bonded area (supply MUST also be RCD protected outside too, this is very important to protect from shock as MCB's alone are only designed to protect the installation from fire and not the user)

[Irishgirl]

Thanks botanics, wow that has gone right over my head .

Think workshop would be a good excuse. All I know he will b running a black thick pipe looking thing into one of the cabins for 4 lights & a double socket. Then with the adjoining shed, future groom I will ask him to put light & 6 double sockets in fir heavy duty machinery. He is a top local registered electrician so I need to keep it low key living in a small community. I have no idea of what the volts, load would be in all that I will be running except the list of equipment I gave on on post. I have no idea when it comes to this area of build. I cant even change a plug . The rest of building works I am ok with, have good idea of how or what is what but not a clue with electric's. I was even thinking of saying I was doing an outdoor laundry room, kitchen combined. He will just wonder why I have the sockets or whatever all at one side of the shed. Thanks again, ur a man with a wealth of knowledge & experiences botanics.

[inaction man]

@@Irishgirl add up all the watts that yer gizmos are gonna be using at full power, divide by 240 and that'll give you the amperage figure that'll be heading out along the wires to the groom. tell the lectrician your 'workshop' will be drawing ?? amps and get him to wire it up accordingly, with as many normal plugs as needed for all your gizmos.

Sounds like you need one of those 'specialist' electricians

[Irishgirl]

@@Irishgirl add up all the watts that yer gizmos are gonna be using at full power, divide by 240 and that'll give you the amperage figure that'll be heading out along the wires to the groom. tell the lectrician your 'workshop' will be drawing ?? amps and get him to wire it up accordingly, with as many normal plugs as needed for all your gizmos.

Sounds like you need one of those 'specialist' electricians

Ya I will do this & try work out the amperage figure. The only thing I find with trades men here that they seem NOT to listen to women as if we no nothing & they seem to try & do what they want, that is easy for them. It makes me made. He tried to tell me b4 I didn't need all the lights I wanted for my cottage when I was restoring it. God did I have rows with him over sockets lights Etc. I even marked & drew on the walls where sorts light were to go but if my back was turned he would put it where he wanted. I always made him change it, think he just likes winding me up. He is the best around tho. Thanks inaction man for your input.

[Ch@ppers]

RIP KFC a year ago today.

[Guest Key4]

Got a few killerkush down fucking stinks though .2 filters going and my place still stinks

[Guest]

Time to burn some toast @@Key4 helps get rid of the stink

[Guest Key4]

Anybody had success with any amnesia autos?

[The Sheriff of Nottingham]

I grew two Amnesia autos this year so here is my two cents....

Dinafem Blue Amnesia XXL grew very slowly to a grand height of 3 inches tall and then began flowering. No idea why. Possibly a defective seed. I let it go until finish but never bothered to crop it.

Dinafem Amnesia XXL grew to about 6 feet tall, no side branches whatsoever and it was almost entirely comprised of sugar leaf. It maybe gave me 10 grams of smokeable bud at the most. The high was no better than Easy Sativa, in fact the two were quite similar.

[TheInsideMan]

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